Senator Debbie Stabenow of Michigan:
Of course, the average price of an electric car is well over $50,000 – which happens to be right about the average income in Michigan.
I beg of you, Democrats: run on this.
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Well, let’s be fair.
What’s the price of a freak’n pickup truck. You’d be lucky to get anything with a motor for less than $50K.
$90K is what I see kicking up dust down my country road.
On the other hand, wait until the price shock of natural gas (what they use to power the turbines that eventually powers the Tesla) hits the grid.
Good points, Greg.
By the way, Bonchie from Red State wrote about this:
Shorter Stabenow: Let them eat cake.
“On the issue of gas prices, I drove my electric vehicle from Michigan to here last weekend and went by every gas station and it didn’t matter how high it was.”
A statement born of ignorance, akin to “How can my checking account be empty when I still have blank checks in my checkbook?”
Cheap energy creates wealth by substituting for human labor. If you have expensive energy, that substitution is not as efficient.
A gallon of gasoline is the equivalent of 33.4 kwh. At $5/gallon, that’s 14.9 cents per kwh. Electricity in my part of WI is 9 cents per kilowatt hour.
It’s 521 miles from Chocolate city (Detroit) to feckless asshole-land (Washington DC)
Let’s be charitable; a Volkswagen ID.3 Tour costs $45K, has a range of 295 miles and takes 12 hours 15 minutes to charge.
That means using an EV for the trip took 22 hours, vs. 8.2 hours with a gasoline car.
Congress degenerates have that kind of time to spare, because their fuckery has no real deadlines to meet. Regular people don’t.
A gallon of gasoline is the equivalent of 33.4 kwh. At $5/gallon, that’s 14.9 cents per kwh. Electricity in my part of WI is 9 cents per kilowatt hour.
MP, you sure? I just reupped for 3 more years at 18.2c/kWh – double from previous. And energy is cheaper here in TX than in WI last time I checked. That 9c is either an old number I hope you got fixed for a couple of years, or else you are missing a digit in front of the 9. So fair comparison would be 14.9 vs 15 (for argument’s sake since you can get it if you have solar panels and can sell back).
Oh, and time is worth nothing to the plug-in crowd, and they must stay in the hotel for free when they HAVE to break up the trip to recharge. Plug-ins are the worst thing that had ever happened to personal productivity. Unless you are an elite do-nothing.
The Target store in Bloomington, just finished installing 12 Tesla charging stations at the back of their lot. Funny how they look like round gas pumps. They are being powered by two diesel generators. That’s the Green New Deal scam in action!
Let them eat carbon credits.
boss, but those gens use biofuel! Double the win for the hard of comprehension.
North of 8 in WI the electricity cost currently is $0.1159/kWh, of course when you add in taxes and other fees it’s $0.1565/kWh.
I just did a zip code look up for electricity cost and my zip code, the number may have been out of date. I only wanted a ball park figure to show that power is power, i.e. there is nothing about gasoline that makes it bad and power from an outlet that is good, other than that gasoline is a fossil fuel.
They can now make diesel from soy beans. It is not a fossil fuel. So they can burn soy beans instead of diesel from oil.
When you burn fossil fuels it is like mining gold, you are literally getting free energy. The cost is only what you pay to pull it out of the ground and refine it. Ethanol from corn and soy diesel have a significant substitution cost, you can burn it in your engine OR you can eat it.
jpa.
Ha! Can’t wait until winter when the biodiesel gels.
MP
the price/kWh in your area of WI can be different depending upon if your supplier is the Co-Op(s), NWEC, or Xcel
Uh………… I’d like to see the real world math on that.
For instance, the typical gasoline engine has an efficiency of 30% to 40%.
Okay…
Electric engines are 90% efficient.
Whoopie!!!
But how much energy is lost charging the battery? About 20% to 25%, so now we are down to 65% efficiency. How much is lost discharging it?
Wow, still better than gasoline at 35%
But I gotta ask, how much battery power is lost to a Minnesota winter at -5F and how much energy is consumed by keeping Tesla passengers toasty warm at -5F? Keep in mind, heat is “free” in an inefficient gas engine.
Personally, I like the idea of hybrids – but the EPA originally hated the idea and tried to kill it. Yup, that’s right. The libs tried to kill what would become the Prius.
See Victor Wouk’s 1972 Buick Skylark prototype helped him become the godfather of the hybrid electric car
Look, we’re talking about cost to produce a calorie of energy. The point is that if you burn gasoline to propel your 4,000 lb SUV down the highway, your fuel cost, regardless of whether your engine runs on gasoline or electricity is going to be on par, because at some level the fuels are interchangeable. You can run a car engine on gasoline, or you can use the gasoline to drive a generator that makes electricity to charge your electric car’s battery.
There is no game changing difference between the two. Gasoline engines are less efficient than electric engines at turning heat into horsepower, but if you make the electricity to charge the battery by burning fossil fuel you haven’t gained anything.
You are wrong, MP! Electricity to power plug-ins does not cost anything, it is made from pure unicorn farts. Just ask any libturd!
87 octane has about 44MJ/kG, and about 3Kg/gallon, so about 132MJ/gallon. 1 kW-H is 3.6MJ (1000w * 3600 seconds/hour), so that’s ballpark 33.4kW-hr/gallon.
The rub is that you get about 25% efficiency, so you need to multiply the cost by about 4. So it’s about 60 cents equivalent instead of 15.
One correction of Greg; although most electricity these days is generated with natural gas, the main fuel for fueling electric cars is coal. The trick is that utilization for renewables and nuclear is 90% plus, meaning it works all night whether or not you plug in your Tesla. Natural gas utilization was, last I checked, around 50%, meaning it’s on spinning reserve or off at night. Coal utilization is about 70%, meaning about half of coal fired power plants are on at night, and the power plant that’s taken off spinning reserve to fuel your Tesla at night is generally powered by coal.
Yeah, great environmental win there.
This is especially true in Stabenow’s native Lansing, MI, 596 miles or at least two rechargings with her electric car. It is correct to note as well this reflects a looseness in her schedule that most of us don’t have. It’s also worth noting that at 0F, a temperature routinely reached in Lansing in winter (Go Green!), the range of that electric car is reduced by 40-50%. So that time to DC is even worse.
Of course, I should be greatly encouraged when Stabenow, an unrepentant liberal, does not go to work, but it’s funny to see her perspective on this.
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