Note that "Dan Allen," at the Scott Howell Company, previously worked for Tom DeLay, on his US House staff. I think those "Allen" files Kunin was looking for were something that would tie Mark Kennedy to Dan Allen and maybe Tom DeLay, and hope of hopes, to Abramoff. How much would they love to have a photo of all of them together on a golf course?

So what is the Republican beef with this issue? To me its still a little fuzzy. It looks like the blogger is to blame and that the Klobuchar campaign took the correct steps to right the situtation, outside of notifying the Kennedy campaign.

Uh, yeah, except for sitting on it for a few days, and not officially announcing it until, you know, AFTER a debate and AFTER a Strib poll came out showing K-char with a solid lead. But, I'm sure that was just coincidence. Fulcrum, don't be so obtuse. You look like a triangle.

From the news that is out, she contact the FBI on Monday. And how much campaign strategy is going to be contained in an ad? Did her campaign do something wrong? Yes, did Kloubuchar correct the situation? Yes apparently so. Did she apologize to the Kennedy campaign, no.

Ryan, were you so upset when Pawlenty deliberately broke campaign laws a few years back? Didn't think so...

Who says I'm upset? You asked. I answered.

I wasn't aware the FBI was closed over the weekend. And her campaign still didn't officially announce it until days later.

So, in conclusion, I'm about as "upset" about all this as if I had dribbled water down my chin. I'm simply clarifying that which you asked, which you're apparently ignoring with the full intensity of your ignore-beam.

As for your Pawlenty non-sequiter, I can play that game, too:

Hey, remember that one time, Fulcrum, when you came running over to Mitch's blog to post a comment about Rove and Cheney and Plame-gate in a totally unrelated post by Mitch, and I mocked you shamelessly? Remember that? Remember? That was fun.

remember when you provided any type of useful comments to this board, remember? remember? didn't think so since it hasn't happened yet. good job internet bully.

Yeah, and you've been a veritable fountain of useful commentary here, Fulcrum.

I interject snark when snark is warranted, and strangely enough, most of your comments warrant snark.

Also, I've never claimed that my comments are useful. They're amusing to me, and that's all I really care about.

Finally, I couldn't let this slide:

"good job internet bully"

Dude, if you think I'm an Internet bully, you need to get around the Internet more. Or, actually, just read some of Angryclown's comments. I'm about as much of a bully as you are a logical thinker. Oh, wait, was that too harsh for you? Do you need a Kleenex? Perhaps I need some sensitivity training?

Thanks for the laughs, Fulcrum; you're always good for that.

spoken like a true republican: "They're amusing to me, and that's all I really care about."

Yeah, Fulcrum, snarky Internet comments make up my personal idealogy. Are you naturally this simple-minded, or do you have to work at it?

Ya know, that smart assed non apology will come back to haunt this little moron. Nothing pisses cops and prosecutors off more than a smug perpitrator.

In addition, his website comments are bursting with dozens of congratulations for a job well done...evidently no one ever heard of someone being made an example of to deter others.

I'm guessing we'll see that smarmy smile get slapped right off his face very soon.

Less can be done about the lefty's who are making excuses. At the core, this case is really no different than that of the Watergate "plumbers".

They found the DNC headquarters locks no trouble to pick and made off with the goods. Really, the only difference here is one of venue; cyberspace vs. office space.

I must say that I'm especially dissapointed with Flash...I guess I was right all along; there really is *no* such thing as a "common sense" liberal...pity.

Mitch

Alert! The NSA is secretly guessing at your passwords and watching your campaign ads! We must impeach the President! Carl Rove! Wal-Mart! Big Oil!

I can't believe these socialeestas are congratulating the fool. They cry privacy with one mouth and cheer on hackers with the other. Reminds me of a certain quote a certain Pope just made recently...

Quit being such a bully Ryan, you big bullying bully you.

RYAN: snarky Internet comments make up my personal idealogy. Are you naturally this simple-minded, or do you have to work at it?

I'm guessing "Natural"

The blogger should not be "congratulated" for his crime, far from it if the current news is correct.

But he is not part of the Klobuchar campaign correct? Apparently the Klobuchar campaign took the appropriate steps right, outside of telling the Kennedy administration correct?

And ryan, simple mindedness come easy after reading the posts on this website.

"simple mindedness come easy after reading the posts on this website."

...says this site's current #2 most-frequent liberal commenter.

Good work Ryan we have explained the mystery. And who said bi-partisan ship was dead?

There are really two separate issues, here -- what Kunin did and what Amy K's people did. Kunin clearly hacked into a not-terribly-well protected website; inside, he found a URL that wasn't protected at all -- except by obscurity -- and sent it along to the Klobuchar campaign. He broke the law, and knew what he was doing was going where he wasn't authorized to go.

The Klobuchar campaign, got an email, clicked on a link, and saw an ad. They didn't have any particular reason to think that an unprotected URL was private; far as I'm concerned, they didn't do anything wrong. (If their opponents was so foolish as to leave his upcoming commercial open to the public -- perhaps to generate some viral interest; perhaps for comment or observation by outsiders; perhaps just out of clumsiness -- that's not the Klobuchar campaign's fault, unless they had reason to know that the URL was obtained by hacking in.)

As you know, Mitch, I'm, err, rather not a fan of Amy Klobuchar, and think she ought to lose her present job -- and not be elected Senator; I'm voting against her. But I think she deserves a bye on this one, except perhaps for overreacting.

It's pretty rich to read all this self-righteous blathering about ethics from a herd of Tom Delay apologists. But it doesn't matter. If videos surfaced of Klobuchar garroting a Lutheran minister, Kennedy's team still wouldn't know how to make hay of it. They're Republicans, they're stupid and they're really not very good.

Why is it that libs only speak of bipartisanship when they are taking it in the chops?

Personally? Screw bipartisanship. When the Dems/libs are in control, they try to treat Repubs/conservatives like a disobedient puppy. I'm not interested in trying to make deals with people like that.

"They're Republicans, they're stupid and they're really not very good.

Posted by: Tim at September 22, 2006 04:23 PM"

And to a lot of them, it's 24/7 regardless of who's in power. Thanks for putting an exclamation point on my previous post, Tim-mah.

"Disobedient puppy," Bill C.? Hardly. Puppies are cute. "Emasculated rat," maybe. Or "toothless piranha."

I'm not sure I'd be talking all big less than two months before the midterm elections, by the way. Forget Democrats. Bush is forced to sweet-talk Lindsey Graham and John McCain these days. The question at this point isn't whether you'll lose ground, but how much.

But if you were bright enough to take advice from Angryclown, you'd be bright enough not to say 90 percent of what you post here. So nevermind!

Joel Rosenberg wrote:

“The Klobuchar campaign, got an email, clicked on a link, and saw an ad. They didn't have any particular reason to think that an unprotected URL was private; far as I'm concerned, they didn't do anything wrong.”

According to MPR (click on my name for the link), Klobuchar’s campaign said that when they received the link to the commercial, Noah Kunin had indicated to them that he had to use a password to gain access to it. Whether they learned of this before or after isn’t clear but if it was before, it seems to me that they cannot claim ignorance as an excuse.

That being said, I agree with you that I don’t want Amy Klobuchar as either Hennepin County Attorney or as United States Senator and fully support Make Kennedy. My vote however is not predicated on any wrongdoing on the part of Klobuchar or her campaign but rather that Mark Kennedy is closer to where I on the issues that concern me the most – health care reform, entitlement reform, judicial nominees, and winning the GWOT.

If she or someone from her campaign did something wrong, let the FBI handle it and hopefully this will be resolved one way or the other before Election Day. Either way, I don’t want my side to waste time on this when there are more important issues to be handled.

People don't live in their websites. I don't know whether it is legal to enter a lightly protected website or not. I really hope it isn't. But I am pretty sure it is legal to open an email.

People don't live in their websites. I don't know whether it is legal to enter a lightly protected website or not. I really hope it isn't. But I am pretty sure it is legal to open an email.

How about a medium protected web site? Or a heavily protected web site. At what point do you think it is wrong?

The questions I addressed, without really looking very deeply into it, was whether it was legal. I don't have a formed opinion on that, but entering a website is not comparable to entering a residence. And of course, entering a residence with intent to steal is burglary whether or not the door was locked at all.

I suppose I think it is wrong to enter a password protected website without authorization, but I think it happens all the time. Really, I think the FBI has better things to do than track down someone who maybe uses a friend's password to enter a website he shouldn't have. Open access is in the DNA of the internet. People should be responsible for their own security.

"But if you were bright enough to take advice from Angryclown..."

That's like saying "If you were bright enough to let yourself get smacked upside the head by a cast iron skillet..."

About as useful, and about as productive.

"...you'd be bright enough not to say 90 percent of what you post here. So nevermind!"

This coming from the whatever-it-is that snarks from behind a wall of facepaint. Quaint. Droll, but quaint.