The first two examples are certainly disgusting, but they are by no means violent or threatening. Of course, when a flag is burned during a riot or protest in the mideast with AK-47's and RPG-7's in prominance there is a clear message of violence, but I'm talking about the twits who have gotten their cases hauled to the supreme court (go look it up). I'm only bringing up the violence part because the Supreme Court likes to bring that up when discussing flag burning, I guess there's an important differentiation.

I have no idea why you're including the bit on Hacking Americans to death, or more specifically why you're equating that with the first two examples. Saying that an artist displaying the cross in urine is morally equivelent to premeditated murder is just ... odd. Or are you saying the type of people who defend tasteless art and peaceful (if extreemly offensive) first amendment exercises are also in favor of decapitation? If so and I'm a murderer, then I choose Pat Robertson, in a Prague tower, with defenestration. A much classier way to start the revolution than hitting poor old colonel Mustard over the head with a lead pipe.

Oh, right, I get it. You're on one of your "liberals are evil" kicks again. Well, its better than going all Pavlov over strategically timed cultural issues I guess. Not like there's anything else going on.

So what if the video showed a skinhead or Arab doing the same thing to the Torah or Pentateuch, and leaving it outside a synagog?

Hmm ... I think I lost track of your argument here, but I kind of suspect you have as well. Still recovering from vacation I guess, huh?

Or Bill, rather than put words in his mouth you could just re-read the post. What he said was you can do whatever you want with a bible or symbol of Christianity and no one bats a eye. You can hack Americans to death and for some Americans, the response is "screw them", but if you desecrate a Koran, then it's call in the FBI. Suppose they find these idiots? What's the charge? Littering? If the video showed a skinhead or arab doing the same thing to the Torah, then nothing would happen. Reason? Not against the law to shoot up your own property. Where you get a rant about Liberals or any of your strawman arguments is beyond me.

Show me a liberal who has said "Screw them" about anyone a terrorist has killed. Citations, please -- something that can be confirmed independently from original or neutral sources following a minimum two source rule.

Until you do, you are only showing your hatred of your fellow citizens, someone who "loves their country" but "hates half its people".

"Show me a liberal who has said "Screw them" about anyone a terrorist has killed."

Markos Moulitsas (Daily Kos, ya'know?) regarding two civilian contractors murdered in Iraq and hanged from a bridge over a busy street.
His exact words were "Screw them".
Your exact words should be "I'm wrong, I appologize."
Bill.

Well, I was prepared to apologize - there's a reason I DON'T read KOS and other leading liberal blogs, I don't want to get trapped into groupthink - but then I saw Markos retracted his words two days later, and with an interesting explanation. Why don't you go read it? Apparently as an eight year old growing up in a war zone, having to step over the bodies of students executed by communist guerilla's as "collaborators", he's developed some strong opinions on war and the people who choose to fight in them. Of course you may not care to since it humanizes him as well, but its your call. Did you want the convenient truth, or something closer to the whole truth? If your only interest is in the convenient truth, which only serves to justify and comfort your existing point of view, then go ahead, ignore the link.

Oh, and for the record, he was justifiably roasted alive by his fellow liberals for that remark - which is quite hard to do while you're bleating.

Here's the link:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/4/2/175739/8203

OK, I'm getting a bit preachy in that last post, so I apologize for that. Its just I'm really getting tired of this political game of jumping on the truth we like and ignoring the rest of the story when it provides a more complete truth which humanizes the story.

Its like all people want are punching bags so they can take out their aggression on someone or live out their fantasies, instead of growing up. I'm tired of it.

Bill,

No problem. Except that I wasn't playing the political game. It's the cultural game; dinging on Moslems (wiccans, native "spirituality", buddhists) is un-PC (whereas it should merely be considered bad form), while Christianity elicits uncomprehending hatred from a huge, influential chunk of the population.

Mitch said: "while Christianity elicits uncomprehending hatred from a huge, influential chunk of the population."

Aw, poor little victim!

"Well, I was prepared to apologize"

And yet, you didn't.
I'm sorry if "Show me a liberal who has said "Screw them" about anyone a terrorist has killed. Citations, please -- "
is an unfortunate challenge. I'm glad some liberals chastised him for it, although I very much doubt it.
But being prepared and refusal are two seperate things, aren't they, Bill.
Admit it: Liberals are just a bunch of meanies.
Ask Mr. Aw, poor little victim! Such sympathy!

Mitch said,

"while Christianity elicits uncomprehending hatred from a huge, influential chunk of the population."

They're artists, Mitch. It's their job to go after the mainstream. If this were an Islamic country they'd do just the same thing right up to the point where they'd get their hands cut off or their houses bombed.

And I swear, just like you, I long for the day when the American people will FINALLY elect a Christian president and a Christian congress (overlooking the fact that Jesus was born, lived, and died as a Jew, and it was the pharisee Paul who mucked things up).

Even then, I don't think most of them are against Christianity so much as they are against sepulchured white-washed low order pharisees, overwrought Sadducee wannabees and clanging gongs of hypocrites seeking earthly treasure while proudly dictating the appointed hour and day of the Lord's second coming, you know, those kind of people.

Not going to respond to Kermit, not sure if he's serious or just doing a bit, sorry.